In this video interview, the popular Canadian blogger “Vlad Tepes” inquires Tommy Robinson, leader of the English Defence League, about the purpose of his organisation and the obstacles that leftwing extremists, Islamists and the British establishement have thrown in the way of his grass roots movement. A full text transcript is posted below the video.
Yeah I think that…
after our Power and Prejudice documentary, basically for three years…
we’ve been slandered as ‘racist, Nazi’ by the media…
after our Power and Prejudice documentary it come out quite clear, something, certain things…
the only thing I wanted to get out of that documentary was that we are against the ideology…
of 7th-century Islam. And that we are not against blacks, Sikhs…
Asians and nothing to do with colour and it’s all to do with ideology. And that came
out of it and in the weeks after, I had so many…
Western European people in Luton come up to me, and they were infuriated
that they had been lied to, by the media. They said ‘how can they…
in media have gotten away with telling us you are Nazis?’ They didn’t understand…
I’ve had so many people come up to me, and that’s the main gripe from a lot of their things and…
that’s public perception, it is changing people, people three years on..
we’re established now, people know what we stand for, they no longer say, ‘the racist English…
Defence League’ they say ‘The anti-Islamist Defence League’. So
and it’s been a hard long battle to fight and break those barriers.
It’s been a smear campaign by politicians, by Islamic leaders and the left
to try and silence us really, to try and stop…
the growth. To stifle…
the debate by labelling us all as racists and Nazis.
and obviously now with the link up with British Freedom, the idea is that…
The EDL does clearly have a bit of an image problem.
It’s an image problem that has been created not just by the left…
partly our own fault, a lot of people ask me to condemn it when …
people are angry on the streets but, I try and explain that those lads that are angry…
you see these grooming cases and things like that, I’ve been to cities where I have had lads…
come up to me, and say, ‘My sister is one of the victims of these Muslim paedophiles’…
Now, the system has let him down, the police have let him down and the Islamic community has let him down,
and when that man is angry on the street and he has an aggressive face or he shouts…
I can’t condemn him. Although what I’ll try and do is…
channel his frustration and anger, obviously you do see anger on the streets…
because people are angry. There is an undercurrent of anger and I don’t thing anyone’s got…
their finger on the pulse. And it’s massive.
Especially with recent developments with this Islamic child grooming and the fact that…
there has been a conspiracy of silence to facilitate it at the police force.
And by social services. People are really angry, blood is boiling.
And we are trying to direct that anger through peaceful protest. So…
Whether our new image problem, hopefully with British freedom now will be like…
clean slate as such, that will be…
the organization, cause so many people are sympathetic, I have so many people come up to us on the streets…
and say, ‘I support you, but I’m too fearful to come to a demonstration because of losing my job because…
they look a bit rowdy, they look a bit aggressive,’ things like that. So those sort of people…
which is a massive percentage, will now be able to support us by ticking a box.
for the British Freedom party, hopefully.
Every single police force tell us, when we have sit down meetings with the police they all say:
that we are not allowed an opinion but they stick their thumbs up. Pretty much all of them do that. All of them…
do that. ‘Cause obviously they see first-hand the extremism, the Islamists, the Muslim gangs.
They see it first hand. They have to deal with that as a job, the police. Also…
what they do is, we had a black Tory councillor, Dr.
Blaine. He come up to me at a meeting on camera, shook my hand, says he admires what I’m doing…
he thinks it’s amazing what I’m doing, the way we are galvanizing the working class, he thinks we’ve got skills…
that need to be capitalised on by local government…
and he doesn’t understand why governments are not sitting down and talking with us…
and he was suspended. So then there is this big campaign, whenever anyone…
talks out on behalf of us, we’ve just had it again last; and he was a local Tory…
councillor. And he was a black man. He was actually a black man. And they called him racist…
afterwards. And we just had last week a…
another Tory councillor down in Bournemouth. She made comments on Twitter saying that…
the English Defence League is the only group sticking up for the English. Now she’s been suspended.
So this is what happens. There’s a big, which is what they have done across this country, …
they scare everybody. ‘Cause all the politicians watching think, ‘Well, I’d better not say anything
productive about the English Defence League cause Ill be suspended. I’ll be…
harassed by the left. I’ll be called a racist. I’ll be called far right, I’ll be called an extremist’
So that’s the problem we have. And that’s what they do, and they do it on purpose.
So that people are fearful, and it’s exactly the…
that reason that we formed. ‘Cause people have been walking on eggshells 15, 20 years…
scared to talk about how they feel, and it’s because of these reasons, they are harassed.
Well anyone who is the EDL is harassed, they try and find out where they work, they report them to their job,
they smear campaign them, to try and destroy your life. Which is…
an organized and orchestrated campaign by the left against anyone…
who speaks out.
They have been infiltrated…
to the top. The first thing that brought it to my awareness really was….
really locally, even in Luton, they opened…
the ‘Discover Islam Centre’. So we looked into Discover Islam Centre…
and the group that are doing it, that previously the Daily Telegraph had done a big article on them…
That previously, as soon as Lutfur Rahman, which is a known…
extremist, and known Islamist links, he was kicked out of the Labour party for having Islamist links…
as soon as he got into power in Tower Hamlets Council, the first thing he done was to…
put all these leaflets and these CDs for this Da’wa…
to convert to Islam for this group, and this group are funded by extremism,
they are Islamists, and that’s the first thing that happened so once Tower Hamlets Council was infiltrated they started pushing
Islam and pushing extremist Islam through the council. Now Luton
opened this centre, and to our shock and dismay, when we started looking into the group behind this centre…
all of our councillors, our Mayor, all of our…
cohesion groups went to the grand opening of it. Now…
When we did some digging and we’ve highlighted who is behind it, some of the things they said in…
videos on the internet, their anti-Christian rhetoric.
There can be no other reason, why our council…
is supporting these groups. Other than they have been infiltrated to the top. ‘Cause
in this Daily Telegraph investigation of this group, it say’s that ‘The only purpose…
for this group coming to your town, is to cause disharmony, and foster hatred.’
Now how are our council supporting this group? And it’s clear…
It’s then clear to me that Labour… and then when we started looking at the people in positions…
of power like, the head of Luton in Harmony, which is like a cohesion project…
is a Socialist Workers party. So then we see the far left…
is infiltrating as well as Islam. For their own personal agendas.
And it’s alarming. And you’ve seen the police force
have kicked out 3 or 4 police officers last week, because they believe they have been to terrorist raining camps…
if you look at the CPS, like what we are seeing now
with these child-’grooming’ gangs, the first instances come to court
come about in 2008, and a solicitor for the CPS decided not to prosecute.
Now we have just done a Freedom of Information Act [request] and I guarantee you, I’m pretty sure
that the man is a Muslim. It seems that
they have infiltrated everything. They have got themselves into positions of power
across the board. All the major decision-makers, all the major organizations,
that’s what they aim for. So they can have a sway
and they can slowly get into positions of power and Islamify areas for
changing to sharia. And that’s where I’m at. And I believe they have infiltrated to the top of this country.
And I always thought they’d start
an Islamic National party or an Islamic political party
but they don’t need to cause they just infiltrate Labour. That’s all they done.
They just basically took over the Labour party. That’s what we’ve seen. So,
yeah, they are infiltrating everywhere.
I don’t know that’s what I need to look into ‘cause
I just rang the police earlier cause, today, just today
I’ve had threats to chop up my children. I’ve had threats to burn my mum.
This is just today. And I’ve got them all in black and white where they are messaging me
online, I’ve had threats to shoot me, every single day I get this.
If I went online and I made a threat to chop up a Muslim’s mum I’d be arrested.
So the police need to be arresting these people on a daily basis that are making these threats.
But they don’t seem to. There seems to be a lack of
real determination to deal with these problems.
I hope so. I hope if I can get elected anywhere
then I will get some protection from the authorities.
but at present it doesn’t look that way.
I keep on hoping, ‘cause I said, to be honest, it’s getting to a point now where
I was in town yesterday doing an interview for Croatian TV and I was lucky to get out
So they have some great footage cause I was surrounded by at least 20 or 30 Muslims
and it was all getting heated, three police cars come, and I’m standing there
saying this is freedom of speech, and the police we’re telling me to go away. I said I’m not going away
I’m finishing my interview with this TV company, in my town.
I don’t care if they want to threaten to beat me up, or beat me up, you have to deal with it then. That’s your job
It is my right to stand here and talk.
You can’t tell me to stop talking. And they said, well, they were going to arrest me
for breach of the peace. I said this is where the problem is. Rather than turn up and dealing
with the aggressors, you are picking on me. Who is merely standing here exercising my right
of freedom of speech. And, yeah,
I’ve been thinking for 3 years, I thought by now someone would have come in and…
a sympathetic donor, who sees the work we
do, and we are all volunteers….
and I thought we might have got some funding from somewhere,
even just funding for security. ‘Cause, to be honest, I do need security.
I’d still do what I do, but I can see something bad happening in the future,
do you know what I mean, because I’m in Luton every day,
and I walk round Luton every day, and every time I do an interview
I’m usually on my own, and I’m in the town centre, and there’s always things.
I think I nearly have about three or four punch-ups every single day, probably,
when I walk through town, so I think it’s just a matter of time.
So hopefully I can get some security.
Yeah, see, like when these stickers went up, saying, ‘gay-free zone’
And ‘alcohol-free zone’, and all these things, there was a lot of people shocked by it.
But people, like, living in towns where we live… The stickers didn’t shock us,
’cause those stickers just confirm what’s been happening anyway.
You see every week in the paper a non-Muslim walking near a Muslim area,
he’s attacked and beaten. They call it a ‘failed robbery’, yeah?
But they don’t try and rob him. The reason why they’re getting beat up
is ‘cause they’re drunk, and they’re walking within an Islamic area.
And that’s sharia law. We used to wonder and scratch our heads,
’Why are they jumping out of cars on innocent people and beating them up
all the time?’ And if you look, it’s usually homosexuals, it’s usually someone
who’s intoxicated near their mosques, or near their area,
and that’s sharia policing. That’s been here for years.
They’ve been policing their own communities for years.
And we’re always just scratching our heads, thinking it’s just random racist attacks,
or random religious attacks, but it’s not: it’s enforcing sharia.
Every single homophobic attack would go up by hundreds of percent
where Islamic areas [are]. The pubs close down, they gradually wear down the pub,
they attack people, and that’s everyday life now. So, when they put these stickers up,
and a lot of people are alarmed by it, it’s just confirming what we know,
living near Islamic ghettos, anyway.
What’s becoming more worrying and alarming is Salafis and Wahhabis.
They’re growing big-time. They are growing big-time. And all the people
who convert to Islam, you see all the non-Muslims that are converting,
the West Indians, the whites, none of them are converting to Sufism.
None of them are converting to any sort of moderate sects of Islam.
It’s all Salafis. It’s all Wahhabis. The drive to convert, and the drive
to Islamify, and really push Islam on us, is coming from Saudi-funded sects.
And it is alarming, because now all the Muslims, obviously now, that are walking
around town, who are 18, 19, are the big bearded and bald-headed mullahs.
That’s the way they’re all going. They’re all going, praying five times a day.
They’ve all stopped listening to music. They’re all going back to the 7th century.
And it’s happening at an alarming rate.
’Cause they’re petrified. And fear is paralysing, innit? And I think the fear factor
has paralysed our politicians; it’s paralysed our police force. And I think
the way they look at it, is they’re trying to put the cat back in the box,
and everyone’s now starting to say how they feel. Three years ago
no one would talk about Islam. Everyone was too scared. No one would mention sharia.
No one would mention the barbaric, the anti-democratic, the anti-Semitic,
the homophobic ideology. No one would talk about it. Now, within three years,
because of the English Defence League, people are proudly standing up,
shouting it and singing it and screaming it, and people are talking about how they feel.
And they’re trying to put it back into the box. So, by giving people gaol sentences,
it scares everyone else. I try and work out the way they look at it,
and I think they’re looking at it as though, ‘We’ve got 3% that are Muslim,
we’re trying to contain them, ‘cause if the 97% really kick off
and decide that they’ve had enough, we’re gonna have big problems.’
So I think they’re trying to scare the fear factor into people.
Say they gaol – when the English Defence League first started,
every leader I talked to from different towns and cities, they’ve all had
their doors kicked off, they’ve all been arrested, and they do that purposely
to scare all the other people. So all my friends are scared. When this first started,
and they started kicking my door off, and putting pictures of me in the paper,
arresting me, just harassing me, forcing me to lose my businesses –
when they do that to me, all the people around me sit and watch,
and they all think, ‘I’ve got a job, I’ve got family to protect – I don’t want that.’
So then it scares them from joining the movement. It scares them from speaking
about how they feel. And that’s the tactic I think they purposely use.
In fact, I know they do, because every single leader from every single town
and division in the English Defence League has been arrested, raided, and persecuted.
And it’s done in order to terrify the people. So when people speak up,
and say how they feel, they’re then arrested, and they do that to stop other people.
So when people, like – you see – I saw some lads, yeah, they got four years [in gaol]
for smashing a mosque window with a brick. Now, any house of worship
should never be attacked, it doesn’t – that’s not the correct method to go down.
But they smashed a window with a brick. That’s it. They got four years.
That’s all ‘cause it’s ‘religiously-motivated’. Now that is to put the fear factor
into anybody from ever going near mosques. Whereas someone could smash a church;
someone could beat up a priest – they don’t get four years. Muslims attack anything.
A Muslim desecrated a war memorial with ‘Bin Laden’s on his way, British will die’.
He didn’t go to gaol, he didn’t get – he actually got let off. Yet a non-Muslim
smashes one window and gets four years. So there’s a two-tier policing system
where our community are treated with iron fists, and their community are treated
with kid gloves, and we need to break that. One of the first things we need to break
is the two-tier policing system. We need them to be as worried as our community
as they are of theirs.
Well, when they say ‘Holocaust’ – I’m a proud supporter of Israel. I mean,
I’ll defend Israel to the last day. And I think it’s a shining beacon in the middle of,
surrounded by totalitarian Arab dictatorships. It’s a shining beacon of democracy.
These ‘Hope not Hate’, these groups – they’re all funded. They’re all saying what they say
because they get paid to say it. That’s it. You take away their funding, would they
still be here doing it? Would they still be volunteering? To print stories, etc.?
No, they wouldn’t. So we’re all volunteers. We do this as a passion.
That’s why they don’t know how to deal with us. Because we’re doing this,
we’re dedicating our lives to it, and we’re not getting paid a penny.
Whereas all these groups are coming out against us, all these ‘experts’
who give their opinion, they’re all getting paid to give their opinion.
So, their opinion, they’re just saying what their paycheck tells them to say.
So all they are is far-left groups who are appeasers to communism,
to Marxism; they get anti-establishment, anti-British police, whereas we’re pro-police,
we’re pro-law, we’re pro-democracy. Yet for some reason the authorities
wish to treat us as the bad boys. I can’t get my head round this sometimes, but…
It’s just ludicrous.
What they need to know is that… It’s like they’re sleep-walking into an oblivion.
I don’t think they will realise how quickly, at the click of your fingers, your country
won’t be the same. Because it will happen, it’s just like – it’s not –
it just so gradually happens; it’s so quick, it’s so… I mean, like,
you just turn around, and, ‘Oh my God!’ Like certain estates in Luton,
it’s like within five years – ‘Oh my God! The whole estate, all the schools
are now Muslim – what’s happened?’ And yet, it’s just like overnight.
And that’s because of the birth rate. And it’s so terrifyingly quick, the way it can just,
within one generation, it can change a whole town. Within one generation.
People have to stand up now, before it happens. I wish what we’re doing now,
I could have been around twenty years ago to do in Luton now. To stop the town
descending the way it has. To stop the Saudi-funded Wahhabi Islamists sects
getting such a grip on the town that they have. To stop them controlling
the streets the way they do. If you wish to control an area, the first thing you have to do
is control the streets, so you have like a street-formed jihad, where they put
their muscle on the streets, and they attack people, so they control the areas.
And that’s what we’re seeing. And I think people really need to –
We should always look and learn from history. I can’t believe Britain
has not learned from Lebanon. I can’t believe Britain has not looked around the world
and [isn’t] learning now from Nigeria and Sudan. I can’t believe we haven’t learned
in 1400 years of history of Islam. I can’t believe we haven’t looked to history.
’Cause that’s what we need to do: look to history to see what’s going to happen in Britain.
Now, Canada and America, countries like, in North America, they should be looking now,
thinking, ‘We don’t want that! Look what’s happening now in Britain!’
And it’s going to happen. It’s not IF it happens, it’s just WHEN it happens.
It’s coming to a town near you, coming to a country near you,
unless you stand up, be brave, put your life to it, and dedicate it,
and then stop it. (…)