Comments for Vatican Engineered Victory for Pelosicare at http://www.rightsidenews.com , comment 1 to 4 out of 4 comments http://www.rightsidenews.com Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:22:48 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.rightsidenews.com/200911097231/editorial/vatican-engineered-victory-for-pelosicare.html#comment-4412 404 Written by www.rightsidenews.com Thursday, 08 October 2009 00:00 You may have reached this page in error as the article you are looking for has been moved or archived. Please go to our Right Side News Home Page and use the Search Box to locate the title of the article you are interested in. Please sign up for our free weekly newsletter below.. *This info above is what I got when I went back to your article :http://www.rightsidenews.com/200911087208/editorial/catholic-bishops-help-pass-pelosicare.htm Cliff you've stuck a nerve! All the Jesuits, and their government enablers will try by hook or by crook to deman you, and accuse you of being a conspiracy theory psychiatric case; at least you're not a U.S. Army Doctor! Strange bed fellows are all around us. They are manipulating the news, the controlled media, even governments, which their specialty. We're being bamboozled, and horn swaggled by this emperial congres with a nefarious agenda to impose a tyrannycal authoritarian system with the blessing of the Vatican and the U.S. Conference (Congress) of Bishops. I'll attempt again to post this article in support of you assertations; Just like I did when featured your previous article on the bishops: I do not expect your gatekeepers to allow my post to appear on your article's comments. Arsenio, Maranatha. Those that swear by the principle of Ordo Ab Chao will be defeated by the Kiing of Kings. - arsenio Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:32:38 +0100 http://www.rightsidenews.com/200911097231/editorial/vatican-engineered-victory-for-pelosicare.html#comment-4410 This article is utter drose. "The Pope noted that Marxism did not lead to a "perfect world" but left behind "a trail of appalling destruction," which is a major understatement." Need I say more? What an utterly ridiculous statement. - Steve Smith Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:04:32 +0100 http://www.rightsidenews.com/200911097231/editorial/vatican-engineered-victory-for-pelosicare.html#comment-4409 [quote] The Pope noted that Marxism did not lead to a "perfect world" but left behind "a trail of appalling destruction," which is a major understatement" [/quote] A "trail of appalling destruction" is an understatement?? What should he have said? "A trail of really, really, horribly appalling destruction"? "A totally dispicable trail of the most appalling, really, really, badly appalling desctruction"? Calling this statement an understatement is the most labored, small, desparate thing I have seen in an opinion piece in a very long time. At the end of the prior commenters comments, "quibble" is a proper example of an understatement. The implication that the Sans article reflects the Vatican's views is central and essential to your piece. Besides, the article is highly nuanced and acknowledges that attempts to implement Marxist theory were disastrous. For someone to admit that the problems that Marx and Engles saw - poverty and harsh living conditions for workers - were actual problems that people should care about is in absolutely no way an endorsement of Marxism. The Catholic Church has made it abundantly clear that the SOLUTIONS that Marx espoused and that socialist and communist regimes have implemented are dead wrong and have led to "appalling destruction" (oh, for a better term that doesn't understate!!). This is a tortured, biased, molehill-into-mountain, labored stretch. Blech. I am a political conservative and will put my hate of Marxism up against anyone's and I still say Blech. - Andy Tue, 10 Nov 2009 07:57:18 +0100 http://www.rightsidenews.com/200911097231/editorial/vatican-engineered-victory-for-pelosicare.html#comment-4405 As someone who remains politically agnostic, I would be overjoyed if the popular media in the US would stop equating "conservatively Catholic" with politically conservative. There might be an association now, but that's purely a reflection on the sorry condition of our politics. As you point out, the Church teaches that government has a responsibility to ensure that people's basic human needs are met and human dignity is respected. It does not say, however, [b]how[/b] they should be guaranteed. A traditional understanding of Christianity could (at least theoretically) just as well support an authoritarian 'nanny state' that provides them directly or a loose laissez-faire state in which everyone feels motivated to help his next-door neighbor out of a tough spot. Christians can agree that miserable living conditions should be prevented even when they disagree about how best to do so. (Of course, there are limits to the political flexibility. A Catholic couldn't vote for a politician who tolerates the killing of millions of babies, the exploitation of millions of workers, or the involuntary abolition of private property, unless the alternatives were even worse.) So, religious beliefs about one's goals are one thing, and political beliefs about the implementation are quite another. I wish the press would stop confusing the two. [s]_ _ [/s] Now, on your charge of 'foreign influence', I have to disagree with you. Bishops are under no obligation to obey the Pope when he speaks on matters outside of faith and morals. Must they hear him out? Yes. But they can and often do disagree. The US bishops are, after all, American citizens, and the Pope a European. Likewise, pastors and parishoners are not bound to do as the bishops suggest when they speak as a private citizens. [s]_ _[/s] And a minor quibble- L'Osservatore Romano is not the Pope. It's not the Vatican. It's not the Church. It's a newspaper. If the Washington Post were to report that a congressional aide wants us to bomb Cuba, that would not constitute a foreign policy decision. - Random Passerby Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:47:32 +0100